With working a full time job and running my own business, I have not had a lot of free time since Thanksgiving.
Now with the holiday season among us, I want to wish everyone a very happy and safe holiday season.
I see that the blogs have been active and still continuing to worry about the amount of debt that Joe and Harlow have.
Can I ask 1 question about their debt? (Well actually I cannot ask just one question)
Who really cares about their debt and does it really make any difference in this mess?
First, they did have a lot of debt. BUT how does one get that much debt. One could only assume they had to make a lot of money every month to maintain the payments they had to make on the debts. Has any one posted how much money they made in a year?
I think that would be a lot more interesting than the amount of debt. (Which has been talk about, discussed, argued over time and time again) What are the bloggers trying to prove by posting credit reports and statements of the debt they accrued?
Oh yeah, how could I forget. Some seem to believe that they were in so much debt they had no choice but to make a film with Sean Lockhart and they were willing to do whatever they had to so they could make some films with him.
By they way, how stupid is that? It would make a little more sense if they were talking about Sean needing the money so desperately. I don’t recall Harlow and Joe needing money so badly that they sold dirty used underwear on line. Seems if anyone is having financial trouble it would be Sean. Was it not Sean that posted he could not even afford break fluid (or something like that) for his car?
Seems to me Harlow and Joe had enough money to live in a nice home, drive nice cars, buy nice clothes and yet some bloggers want us to believe they were so hard up they had no choice but to make a movie with Sean.
It seems to me that the financial obligation was being met by Harlow and Joe. Nothing had been repossessed prior to the arrest. Now I know that some believe they were struggling for money and for those that actually believe that I have to ask have you looked at how much money they made in a year or in a month.
I’m sure you don’t really care, but it is going to be interesting when the DA attempts to prove they were in financial distress and they had to make a film with Sean. Seems to me if they were in financial distress, how could they make an offer of 30,000.00 to make that film with Sean?
I know a lot of what is being posted is an attempt to keep the blogs and this case fascinating.
I read a response on one blog that said this case is fascinating. Do I dare ask what is fascinating about this case? After all we are talking about the death of a man and the two people that have been accused of his murder. In my line of work, I deal with death every single day and I have yet to find anything fascinating about death. This case has not been fascinating in the least.
This case (on-line) has become nothing more than scared men or women posting whatever they want with no regard to anyone actually involved in this case. Yes I mean the people that claim they have to remain anonymous.
Now I also have to wonder why some bloggers feel like they are entitled to have a back ground investigation completed on the family of Harlow.
Who in Gods name is blogger here? What right do we have to any information regarding the families? This situation is bad enough without the need to drag the families into this on line cluster fuck.
Melissa, Harlow’s brother has been on line trying to gather support and help for her brother and yet with every comment she has made the anonymous bloggers have done nothing but tear apart every word she says and condemns her for being on line.
One blogger was nice enough to even tell her what she should be doing instead of being on line blogging. Who are these chicken shit people that think they have a right to tell Harlow’s family anything?
Part of the reason for the delay in me posting has been the need to get away from this case for a while. The stupidity of several bloggers is overwhelming.
I think it’s about time we put some personal responsibility into the on line blogging of this case. I have admiration for people willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. However, this case has turned into nothing more than a cluster fuck. I have no admiration for most all the people following this case. Now don’t get me wrong there are 2 bloggers that I do have admiration for. These people have done nothing but fight for what they believe in time and time again. Even when it’s all said and done these 2 people still have the same thoughts and beliefs they had when I first started following this case.
Unlike the many that seem to change there thoughts and beliefs and statements.
One thing for sure no one here on line was involved with the case (so they claim) and no one knows anything to be a fact. The facts we do know have come from the same place, the arrest affidavit and the preliminary hearing. Both of which have left a lot of un-answered questions.
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Jakester - [dictionary]
"fascination = the power to allure"
Jakester, this IS not and WAS not meant as a positive thing. Was never meant as this case was fascinating in a positive way and I think MOST people reading that knew that- look up fascinating. Alluring, yes, you are as allured as everybody else or you surely would not be blogging about it.
I just do not want to be misquoted, I am the one who made the comment you are talking about and also feel fine about the other comments I made to melissa and her family.
I am surprised and disgusted she could sit and write that out. Try to garner support for her brother, maybe?? but the denial about this crime [and unfortunately for them the fact that her brother and his boyfriend did it]- too much.
Harlows family = bandwagon of denial.
Jakester - someone was murdered, his head cut off and he was stabbed 28 times and then his home was torched.
The people in jail for this did it.
I want to be absolutely clear about the "allure" [to me] of this case.
I think there are definite misconceptions by some people, you, Elm, melissa & such about other peoples intentions, motivations, etc. on commenting.
I, for one wish I had never heard of this case. It has sickened, saddened, etc., etc. but I did and the elements of this TRAGEDY are mind boggling and baffling [to say the least] and I want to see justice done and will stay until I see that [or at least what the State feels is justice].
VJ,
Thanks for clearing that up.
I would have never known someone was murdered, throat cut and stabbed 28 times without that clarification.
You said…
I think there are definite misconceptions by some people, you, Elm, Melissa & such about other people’s intentions, motivations, etc. on commenting.
I think if there is any misconception it is from people like you, who think we should be entitled to a background check since you blog about this case. Blogging about this case as entitled you to nothing. Guess what, I’m entitled to the same thing.
The reasons you blog about this case is not as important to me as to who you are.
It seems the main intention most have had is to remain an anonymous ass in this case. That’s more sickening that the murder itself, men that can only hide behind a screen name.
The comments on this case have been nothing more than revolting.
Another great misconception you have is for me to claim Harlow is innocent.
I have never said that he is innocent or guilty. Not one place will you find that I have said that.
Since I have been blogging about this case I said I would be non-judgmental. I have been so far.
Do I lean more towards Harlow favor, yep.
Do I think there is more involved in this case than we know? YES, YES, YES.
Do I believe that people are entitled to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? YES
Since there was arrest made to I have to believe everything the State has provided at this point and time? NO.
Maybe you forgot the post where I posted the number of violent crime arrest were 641,000 and only 165,000 convictions. This does not even reach a 50% win ratio for the District Attorneys across the USA and not to mention the most of those convictions were from pleas. Could it be when they lay out their theory, it could be wrong? Who knows, but with numbers like that it certainly does not lead me to have a lot of faith in the theory of the State until it is proven in a court of law.
And as far as Harlow’s family if they want to tell you anything at all, more power to them. People claim they have lied and every comment they have made they have been condemned. Yet we think since we blog about the case we should tell them what they should be doing. What the fuck.
I could never imagine the hell they have been through and will continue to go through in addition to Joe’s family and Bryan’s family.
The anonymous bloggers have done nothing but talk shit about everyone involved in this case and that is nothing more than sickening. With all the shit people have talked about Harlow, I don’t blame his family for any comment they want to make and would welcome more comments from them. As you can tell I am disgusted and I can only imagine how his family feels reading this bullshit everyday.
At some point and time people have to be responsible in the comments they make and for once and all stand up and be a man and stop hiding behind the anonymous screen names on line.
So rest assured if there is any misconception, it is on your part not mine. But thanks for that clarification.
"Was it not Sean that posted he could not even afford break fluid (or something like that) for his car?"
Yes. It was that post that confirmed to me Grant Roy lied when he claimed he owned a million dollar trucking company and that he also had a trust fund.
There are many other lies told. Lying takes away credibility. I can not and will not take anything the CobraKiller or Sean says at face value due to these lies.
This brings up an interesting point (I think).
Harlow called Sean and told him to look up a website that reported the murder of Bryan.
Within days Sean told several people that someone had put fliers around his neighborhood claiming Sean and his CobraKiller murdered Bryan - and warning all the locals to be on their guard.
Why did Sean tell this lie? Sean now says he knew right away Harlow and Joe did the murder. It does not jive with his flier lie/claim at that time.
I understand your anon issue. Try see it from another point of view.
Anyone who had anything negative to say about Sean and his CobraKiller received threats from them both and their supporters. These threats are documented.
Only a fool at the receiving end of these threats would give out their identity.
oops BTW, very good post.
Good points BB
I do understand the threats. Even though I dont know anyone, I have been threatened. One anon poster was even stated he knew where I worked (and by the way Rob thats in Florida)
I think personal responsiblity would reduce a lot of BS one has to deal with on line.
I agree... can we trust Sean and Grant? Seems if anyones has lied time and time again, it has been them.
Hi BB--
Let's see. You have been elsewhere selling RW's BS regarding Sean. It is known who put up the fliers in Sean's CA neighborhood. Gets into the realm of hate crime.
As for the auction of Sean's worn underwear, you can be assured he washed it first. The winning bidder knew what he was buying and had no problem with that knowledge. How did Kocis make money when he wasn't shooting a for retail Cobra Video film--he would take RW, one other Cobra model, go out of state, find an underage teen male, and film a 3some for an off the books film. Worn underwear vs. a white slavery activity. Some defense BB.
Then, we have the matter of RW threatening Cobra models with that handgun Kocis gave him. And the problem of fudged production dates and ages of models--yes, models so more than one 2257 document is questioned. Then, there is the problem of RW listing the PA State Police as the Custodian of Record for Cobra Video 2257 documents. Fact is the PA State Police do not, and have never had those records. Penalty on that and nonexistent required records is a chargeable offense for each document and fine. The last person that played loose with 2257 records got hit with $250,000 fine and 10 years in federal prison. That would seem to be a major credibility killer to me.
BB where did you say RW's car was parked during the evening hours of 24 January?
Incidentally boys the phrase is brake fluid. Brake a pressure device that slows and stops momentum. Break something dropped that falls to pieces.
We also documented the statement regarding torture. And the statement regarding RW's stealing college letterhead to forge a document that induced Sean's mother to give permission for Sean to spend the summer of 2004 in PA. The terminology would be fraud in the inducement. The key word being fraud as in Sean's mom was lied to. RW was an adult at the time. The law holds he is as responsible as Kocis. Then, Sean as a resident of CA was enticed to cross state lines for the purposes of sex trade, commonly referred to as white slavery. RW does not need to worry about state jurisdiction. All of this is federal.
As for Jakester, save your pro Harlow crap for Elm. He is the only one buying what you sell. It is distinctly anti Lockhart and Roy. The grifting fools put themselves behind bars for this murder. They aren't leaving their new home anytime soon.
As for the home they owned, they were so in debt they no longer had equity to speak of. Except for the Discover Card, all of their credit cards were seriously over limit. They had a financial motive alright. As for presummed innocent until proven guilty--we have all said they are entitled to their day in court so that is a false flag being raised. Having their day in court does not mean the grifting, murdering pair will be released at the conclusion of the trial.
Jakester has opined, "It seems to me that the financial obligation[s] w[ere] being met by Harlow and Joe." So Harlow and Joe's fiscal responsibility had them ranging from a conservative $174K to a liberal $250K+ in credit card debt alone. Sorry, I don't buy that premise. Elm does and he is the only one.
Jakester offers, "Nothing had been repossessed prior to the arrest." Begs the question of whether or not there were judgments or liens against them jointly and severly for the credit card debt. Repossession has to do with secured property such as cars, major appliances, and luxury items like boats and chinchilla furs and Rolex watches.
Jakester presented this gem: "Seems to me if they were in financial distress, how could they make an offer of 30,000,00 to make that film with Sean?" That's because these two simply thought that Sean would be motivated simply by money, and actually that offer was presented to Grant Roy because Joe Kerekes thought that Grant controlled Sean in the same manner that Joe controlled Harlow. Big miscalculation. Sean and Grant have a real relationship outside of the business they run together. That is one telling difference. The other is that Joe obviously knew nothing of the ordinary business dealings and offered far more than twice the usual rate for scenes. Immediately, suggesting to Grant that a grift against himself and Sean was in the making. Points to the major stumbling block always confronting Joe: the duh factor. A poster named Chris points out Joe and Harlow's major character flaw always about money, grifting and controlling. Fascinating insight.
On his high hobby horse Jakester states, "Now don’t get me wrong there are 2 bloggers that I do have admiration for." Presumably, Jim and PC, but for the sake of argument I will include myself.
So far, not one shread of spin from Elm or you has shed an ounce of reasonable doubt on Harlow's side. Or Joe for that matter. Joe, his former BF, is turning on him and implicating him as the murderer as in Harlow did this all on his own while Joe's happy ass sat in comfort in the motel room.
The best you have been able to do is claim government conspiracy to bring down Harlow and Joe. Why? For what reason? If Kocis was being investigated on another matter, it does not follow it would spill into this murder case. The presumption would be that there was constant surveillance of Kocis and his property which there was not. Rely on Elm if you wish, but Elm back pedals when he gets caught in his misrepresentations. I have pointed out many, Jim has and so has PC. Fascinating to think that Elm might have an ulterior motive. Fascinating that you want to attempt to undermine Jim, PC, or any other blogger, including myself who does not buy Harlow is innocent as Ivory Soap and misunderstood. Fascinating that one of the prime suspects in this matter says that Harlow called him on his cell phone on discovering Kocis dead and hearing movement/fooffalls upstairs in Kocis' house. Has cell phone, calls BF, doesn't call the police or fire rescue. Hmmm. Not reasonable man behavior by any stretch of the imagination.
Does have time to steal/pilfer/loot Kocis' home of property, including a Rolex watch. Taking that watch is fascinating. Did Harlow rip it off of Kocis' dead wrist? Fascinating that you would be defending looting a corpse.
Jakester a case study in fascination.
Jakester Clueless Slob cracks me up.
He says: "It is known who put up the fliers in Sean's CA neighborhood. Gets into the realm of hate crime."
He continues the lie for Sean and his CobraKiller. No fliers were posted anywhere. Confirmed.
"As for the auction of Sean's worn underwear, you can be assured he washed it first."
Odd fascination Slob has for Sean's worn out underwear. I've never mentioned Sean's underwear. The clueless one is confused - we already knew that :)
Sean is a known prostitute. He was was often paid to have sex along with his then partner Chris/Jake. Verified and confirmed.
The rest of his claims are from his fat file of (bull) shit. Short on facts, long on fantasy.
Such anger, such rage, such grief.
Very much like the CobraKiller is Clueless Rob.
BB--
Fascinating that you would pick 3 items that are not of prime importance.
Fliers (these existed--still a hate crime), underwear auction, and something I never raised here, alleged prostitution.
Fascinating you do not comment on the issues that are far more serious facing RW.
Where was RW on the evening of 24 Jan 2007? Where was RW's car parked? Whom did RW call on his cell phone circa 8:15 pm?
Rob,
I would never have admiration for Jim. I have done nothing but asked time and time again to be removed from his blog and yet he refuses to remove the link to my blog from his blog. So rest assured I would never have admiration for Jim. Not on line, not in real life regardless of what he does for a living he has been nothing but an ass and I certainly would never say I have admiration for him.
Then you said
“Fascinating that you would pick 3 items that are not of prime importance. “
Seems a lot of people have picked a lot of items to talk about that are not of prime importance. Seems when people want to post they have the inside scoop from an anonymous source, it’s just another attempt to start some new BS about this case.
It is distinctly anti Lockhart and Roy. Well.... yeah.... it is anti Lockhart and Roy.
I personally don’t believe a lot of what they have to say. You want to prove they are so awesome by the Boy Scout Theory (they had to do a good dead and get involved in a murder case). I don’t believe that for one minute. The articles posted proved just how awesome they are.
Funny how you want to defend them and then talk shit because Harlow and Joe were prostitutes. Isn’t Sean and Grant in the same boat, but it is suppose to be ok that he has pimped Sean out. It makes no sense.
As far as my high hobby horse, rest assured I have no horse at all. I do have a lot of disgust for some of my fellow bloggers. I really don’t understand anyone blogger about this case thinking they are entitled to anything. All of the families involved in this case have been through hell and they certainly don’t need to be brought into the on-line blogging.
So if you think disgust is me on a high horse, so be it. I really don’t care. It’s a sad state of affairs that the blogging over this case has become bad.
I do follow several other cases and blog about them as well and not one of those cases has been anything like this case. The only difference in the cases that I follow is most are involving straight people.
If not understanding why certain bloggers think they are entitled to more family information means I’m on a high horse, so be it. Can you explain why people actually have the gall to think they are entitled to family information?
Then you said
“The best you have been able to do is claim government conspiracy to bring down Harlow and Joe. Why”
It seems you have me confused with someone else. I have never claimed there is a government conspiracy.
In case you did not read the earlier post
My opinion is there is a lot more to this case than we know right now.
I have the same information that you have. I have read the arrest affidavit. I have read the information from the preliminary.
And there are a lot of un-answered questions. There are questions that must be answered. Answers are needed and no one will know the answers until trial.
So high horse or not, I’m just an average guy that is feed up with stupid bullshit. If you want to post something, prove what you say. And posting I got information from an anonymous person is not proof.
By the way Rob, I do enjoy you posting to my blog. I’m not saying you are one of the people I have admiration for but I do like you posting here.
Jakester--
As do I in challenging the BS that supplies the foundation for your claims.
You make the claim that Lockhart and Roy hired Harlow and Joe. Problem is that angle was checked, rechecked, and checked again by the PA authorities. PA found Sean and Grant credible. So, the upshot is you and Elm have a rather daunting climb up that famous Mt. Shitmore you have piled, high and deep.
The affidavit supplied sufficient evidence to support the arrest warrant detaining the alleged murderering grifters. The Preliminary Hearing supplied sufficient evidence to bind the defendants over for trial on 1st degree murder and related charges. That is where you and Elm get stuck in the muck and mire of Mt. Shitmore--your monument to half-assed theories.
Your hobby horse is Jim. You want him gone because he blows major holes in your premises. Tis a pity.
Oh yes you have a hobby horse alright a Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy hobby horse. Arises in rivalry, Jake.
Elm made his claims. PC, Jim and others turned them to mince meat, the two glaring examples being H/J went camping in PA in the dead of winter without food, water, or camping equipment. The other one is who invited whom to Le Cirque for the $3000 dinner--Harlow and Joe did the inviting. Joe signed both the checque and credit card receipt. Elm can spin it anyway he wishes but I am the one who set him straight.
Elm's other pet theory is that RW and Sean worked together to bring Kocis down. Patently false. Three falsehoods. Jim has laid bare others. So has PC.
BB--
Wishful thinking on your part.
Sean is a prostitute in your book because in the past and for a month or two worked as an escort with his ex BF Chris/Jake. I have seen nothing that says he is now or during the period he actively worked for Cobra Video.
Then, there is that NYC, July 4th business involving the acquaintance of RW being hooked up by RW with Sean to keep Sean away from Bryan Kocis. That would involve pimping a minor. Chargeable of course.
What a hypocrite you are BB! RW is an active escort. Sean gave up escorting a long time ago. Most of your venom has the odor of sour grapes because Sean is popular with fans and has projects in viable venues. RW has the shell of a ruined Cobra Video.
Merry Christmas BB.
Hey Rob,
I have never said Sean and Grant hired Harlow and Joe.
I’m not sure what you are talking about. How could 2 guys so poor that cannot even buy break fluid going to hire anyone?
High horse against Sean and Grant, maybe, I just don’t believe a lot of anything they have to say.
They want us to believe they are sworn to secrecy and to a certain degree that is correct.
However there are a lot of details they could release to actually prove the innocence they claim to have.
Just because a cop believes a lie does not make it true.
It’s like basic psychology, as a general rule people tend to believe the first thing they hear. Regardless of right or wrong, people tend to believe the first thing they hear.
Just like someone being accused of being a pedophile, regardless of the outcome in court that person will always be a pedophile. Sorta like Grant and Bryan.
Your hobby horse is Jim. You want him gone because he blows major holes in your premises. Tis a pity
I want Jim gone because I consider him to be nothing more than a chicken shit asshole. He is nothing more than a scared man hiding behind a screen name.
That’s why I want Jim gone. And by the way where is he posting anything on my blog to disprove anything I have to say?
I have not read any comment from him on my blog (nor would I for that matter.)
Then you claim you are the one that set Elm straight. I have failed to see that happen. You have tried to post time and time again that you are right without proof of anything you are claiming. Your entries have been about as helpful as the asshole Jims input into this case. State whatever and prove nothing.
Rob I hope you have a Merry Christmas…. Are you going to get the gift you asked for? Or are you one of those that have to wait till next year?..lol…
Jakester--
My Christmas was perfect.
Looks like you are slogging up Mt. Shitmore. Too bad you have that beam in your eye regarding Sean and Grant. That's what happens when you buy into half-assed theories. You don't like Jim or PC's reasoned positions on this murder case for that very reason.
I don't withdraw a single thing I have written. Elm has played both sides of the street with his poor Christian martyr is Harlow crap. No one is buying that crap.
You want a federal government conspiracy to exist, prove it. Good luck!
Oh yes I set Elm straight--he started spouting the Sean and Grant invited Harlow and Joe to Le Cirque for dinner spiel over the summer. In one of those blogs I told him who signed the checque and credit card receipt. These had been questioned documents. Well, Joe's signature is on both.
You write, "[h]owever there are a lot of details they could release to actually prove the innocence they claim to have." Really? Which one? Are you the Prosecutor in this case or Sean and Grant's attorney? Answer: No on either score. Who made you the Devil's Advocate? Simple answer: No one. So because you have an anti Lockhart and Roy hobby horse, they need to respond to? I think not. You have no facts proving your position. Mere innuendo doesn't cut it Jake. Jim may or may not come over here to spar with you. Fact is you have been going elsewhere to seek him out. Fascinating development when you say you loathe Jim.
Rob,
Im glad you had a good christmas...
But it seems you are still some what confused. I have never said anything about the government. Not once. So take that to Elms blog or somewhere else. Because I have never said one word about the government being involved in this case.
Secondly, I have not posted anything anywhere but here about Jim. I have not sought him out in any maner. I have only made comments on my blog about Jim.
PC, I have not said anything at all about PC. So I dont even know what you are talking about when you bring him into this.
You guys have screamed for Harlow and Joe to tell the truth, but if I think that Sean and Grant should be truthful you seem to have a problem with that. Why?
Why do you defend them so much?
Since there has been no trial there is nothing about them that has been proven to be correct.
I still dont believe a lot of anything they have to say.
Without a lot of bs, could you explain why you defend them so much?
P.S. Jim is not welcome here to spar with me.
I have no use for chiken shit men what so ever.
By the way, It really make no difference in who invited who and who paid the check.. We know who paid the check
What is important is the truth of the conversation that night.
Jakester--
Who invited whom to dinner at Le Cirque has no bearing on what comes next--the conversation? Oh yes it does. Unfortunately, Elm lost objectivity a long time ago. You want a conspiracy to exist so who invited whom to dinner is the Rosetta Stone of events leading to the murder. For Sean and Grant to be the masterminds in that scenario, they have to do the inviting. Unfortunately, Joe paid the checque Jake. The conversation that both you and Elm pin so much on clearly has Grant saying "No," to making Kocis go to Canada and not coming back, the doublespeak used by Harlow to indicate the grifting couple would dispose of Kocis.
Le Cirque is certainly telling Jake because it is Harlow and Joe who set out on their own, with no one's blessing on that "winter Pennsylvania camping trip" Elm dreamed up without food, water, or camping equipment, to murder King Cobra, Bryan Kocis.
Oh yes that checque and credit card receipt signed by Joe Kerekes speaks volumes Jake. Speaks to Sean and Grant's innocence. Then we have Harlow's spin on the day after the dinner. Problem is other evidence does not back Harlow's version of events. Nada! Doesn't surprise me or anyone else one iota. Harlow was running a grift with Joe. Once again, you make Elm's mistake with Sean and Grant--Guilt by Association when Sean and Grant met Harlow and Joe at Le Cirque therefore they are involved, however fleeting the meeting, with the grifting, murdering con boobs.
Yep, until confronted with the news that Joe signed the checque that was a major Elmism. Too bad it circles the drain on a number of scores.
Jim--
Very well said. Touche'.
Sorry, Jim is not welcome here.
Or did you think I was joking when I said that.
Rob,
Once again I really dont care who invited who.
The only thing that matters to me is the conversation that took place that night. (and of course all the emails and chats that took place prior to this happening.)
Jakester--
Just conversation? Really! Who are you fooling? You want Sean and Grant guilty. So the truth is you don't care about the evidence on the record. Speaks volumes and sounds like sour grapes arising from business rivalry to me. You are a self-serving hate monger. You got yourself lanced on Jim's sharp spear of logic in the light of the known facts. And that leads to your statement, paraphrased, that you have not been elsewhere answering his arguments against Harlow and Joe's innocence: you most certainly have been over to Elm's blog for one. For someone who doesn't care, you sure are concerned most especially about Jim. I wouldn't rely on Elm much; he has issues of the conflict of interest variety.
Rob,
That interesting to think I want them guilty. That’s not what I have said.
Even my vote on my blog was for involved but not guilty of the crime.
I have not once said they are guilty of the crime.
However, if they were truly innocent, there would have been no conversation of murder at dinner.
Any comment left on Elm’s blog lately certainly does not involve Jim in any.
Hate monger… I would not saying not believing what they are saying makes me a hate monger. I cannot say I hate them. I don’t know anything other than what has been posted on line or printed in the magazines. Seems a lot of people do hate them but once again Rob you are wrong.
Business rivalry with Sean and Grant? Are you serious?
What business do they own to even have a rivalry with?
Sean blog page web site. What a joke.
I do own a business but rest assured its nothing in the adult arena.
As far as Jim is concerned, I don’t have to tolerate people like that on my blog.
I don’t want my blog associated with his blog. Now if you would have said I hate Jim. You would have been closer to the truth. Not that the truth matters to you. But I don’t like chicken shit people. He is right were he belongs… Mtn Shitmore. He is not welcome to post here.
Rob as always, I asked a simple question and you turn it into I’m a hate monger.
Why do you defend Sean and Grant so much? What is your association with them?
Hi Jakester--
"However, some of us don’t believe anything Sean."
The server you use is located in Ft. Lauderdale, FL but you most certainly orginate from La Jolla, CA.
This becomes clearer now. You have a business rivalry with Sean and Grant. Once again, you admit you do not want the truth only a smear campaign against two people. That's the reason you loathe Jim. He calls you on it. Hence, you deserve Elm. He is grasping at straws to support Harlow and Joe. Problem is there is nothing to back their version of the events of 24 January 2007. One part of yours and Elm's foundation collapses on Harlow's lie that he was fucking or being fucked by a client at the time of the murder. Not so. Joe, his BF blew that out of the water and the Pennsylvania police tore Nep's alibi for Harlow to shreads. Yep, Harlow lies. So much for yours and Elm's supporting evidence.
Happy New Year faux Jake.
Ok Rob,
Once again ask you a simple question and get gets turned into something else.
Why? Why can you not answer a simple question without all the other psycho bable you always come up with?
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