Pulling at Straws???
With some of my recent post, some bloggers were kind enough to email me or make a comment to let me know they think I’m pulling at straws…
Let’s look at what they were talking about.
The comments came from the “You heard it here first” post that I made.
Well first and foremost, you did hear it hear first. Fact. No straw there.
Elm and I were the first to post this to blog land.
Harlow hired an attorney. Fact. No straw there.
Harlow friends and family raised enough money to pay the attorney. Fact. No straw there.
** Despite all the negativity and your comments that people would not donate to him to help ensure he was able to hire an attorney. Fact. No straw there.
PC seems to have “inside” information. Fact. Some things posted are not in any public record and yet he seems to have access to that information, even though there is a “gag” order in place regarding this case.
The only Rumor or unknown fact is where he gets his information from. Rumor has it that it was KM and he works in a position that could get him the information that he has posted. There was no straw pulling there. This is a rumor spreading throughout blog land.
Can I prove or disprove it? Nope.
Better yet do I really even care? Nope and that is a fact.
This is the first actual legal representation that Harlow has had. Fact.
Unlike the other appointed attorneys, this one is actually taking an active role in Harlow’s case. Fact.
** Could this cause problems for certain bloggers if any of the rumors prove true? Yep. That is a fact. No straw pulling there.
Can or will there be changes in the handling of this case now that Harlow actually has an attorney? Yep. That is a fact. Before now no attorney for Harlow has taken a very active role in representing him.
Harlow’s attorney is asking for dismissal of charges. Fact.
We all want to know the truth. Fact.
People cannot stand the fact that Harlow has actual supporters posting in his favor. Fact.No straw pulling there.
Now what straw was I pulling at? I’m not really sure. Seems everything said was factual. No made up un-biased truth. No misrepresentation.
It also seems I have once again pissed Rob off…
Wait I feel a tear…..
Nope, just dust on my contact…lol
Rob you posted on ELMS blog
Kiss my ass. You have presented nothing except a diatribe against Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy. No more, no less. A lot of promise without delivery.
First and foremost, I don’t kiss ass. Ever. Not to mention you are nothing more that a chicken shit that can only post stuff behind a screen name.
A diatribe against Sean and Grant.
Well let’s see Rob, they are the center piece of a violent crime of passion.
You want to believe they are innocent and cleared and I must believe you are full of shit.
They are involved, like it or not.
They are no boy scout; they weren’t doing a good deed just to help the police.
They saved there asses. The same as most anyone that wants to help the police.
Getting involved in a murder case is not something anyone wants to do and they did not do it just to be nice guys.
You believe Harlow and Joe needed them, Lets look at who contacted who first.
Sean posted he could not even afford break fluid for his car and you think Harlow needed more help then Sean?
Am I missing something here?
Before there arrest, Harlow and Joe supported over a million dollars of debt.
Seems to me they were making a lot of money to cover that debt.
Unlike Sean, selling dirty used underwear on line.
So who needed who?
By the way Rob, what have I promised? Not a thing. Unlike you, I post my opinions.
I certainly have made no promise to you.
I have not even made any statement remotely close to promising you information on Sean and Grant.
My thoughts and beliefs have not changed since I have been blogging about this case.
Unlike your many theories and lies.
Seems some people cannot stand that Harlow now has the attorney he needs.
I wish BB would still allow comments on his blog; I would love to post to his recent blog about separate trials.
I must agree with him on that one, how awesome would it be for Sean and Grant to be questioned twice on the stand.
Rob all I can say is get over it. I really don’t care that you are upset. Sean and Grant are involved. Like it or not.
It should be interesting to see what’s going to happen with the new attorney calling for dismissals of charges already.
Ok thanks for the comments and emails.
38 comments:
"Sean and Grant are involved. Like it or not."
They are so involved, in fact, the public is voting them awards!
"PC seems to have “inside” information. Fact. Some things posted are not in any public record and yet he seems to have access to that information, even though there is a “gag” order in place regarding this case.
I've provided nothing more than what can be found by anyone else... the likely difference is that I spend the time to do it.
In regards to the "gag order"... I suggest you read up on the law.
"The only Rumor or unknown fact is where he gets his information from. Rumor has it that it was KM and he works in a position that could get him the information that he has posted. There was no straw pulling there. This is a rumor spreading throughout blog land."
I receive my information from multipule sources... try as you might... you'll never know who. In regards to KM, he left simply because he was tired of all the drama that occured from folks posting. He's been long gone... yet the information still flows. Who do you plan to blame next?
As to how precise you are Nimrod, the word choice would be brake fluid the liquid that causes hyrdraulic brakes to work. Brakes stop cars and trains. Break refers to shattering something or something that is in pieces. As I recall Sean got a job with a San Diego retailer to meet expenses. Seems responsible to me. Poor word choice equals poor logic. Much of what you say here is supplied by another. His story has changed lots as well as the whole Affidavit of Probable Cause was published by PC.
The fact is that Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy have been remarkedly consistent in their story. Hence, the two were vetted by the police and are now prosecution witnesses. Harlow and Joe keep changing theirs. Harlow originally claimed to be alibied by the john he was with the night of the murder. Turned out to be a lie. Joe claims to have had his happy ass in his room at Fox Ridge Inn. His cell phone signal pinging off the towers close to Kocis' home after the murder prove otherwise Jakester.
Frankly the new lawyer is doing what he should and that is not much because the result is the same--Harlow and Joe are going to trial. You might ask Wagner why he needs to hide behind Ben as his shield, a sign of cowardice on his part.
You Harlowites have nothing so you attack. Jim is still here; PC is still here; I am still here. Keep coming to bat. You Harlowites keep striking out.
Keep striking out; well I don’t think so...
There is a lot happening as we speak that someone like you would never know Rob.
The only people I would like to ask anything to of course would be Sean and Grant.
I really could care less about RW.
When you only elect to believe your truth, nothing else matters. This is clearly the case with you.
You have made up facts and beliefs and changed what you have said time and time again.
Show me where the State or any witness of the State has placed them at the scene of the crime.
If anyone needs to study law, rest assured it’s not me.
PC, I have read everything posted in regards to this case. I have read the court orders. You are not the only one that can research a case through the court system.
However there has been information posted on your blog before certain records were made public.
Jim, I really don’t give one fuck about what you think.
"PC, I have read everything posted in regards to this case. I have read the court orders. You are not the only one that can research a case through the court system.
However there has been information posted on your blog before certain records were made public."
Perhaps I have better contacts. :)
Jakester--
Oh so now you serve sour grapes with your cordial because no one is buying yours and Elm's party line. That's because we can read, analyze and interpret without the clearinghouse's unique spin.
The only changes that develop here are the ones that have had to be recast when Harlow's alibi witness fades like the last rose of summer in the face of facts presented by the PA State Police. Or, the elaborate but equally unsupported by the facts mid-Winter's PA camping trip. Keep going. You guys don't require Jim, PC, or myself for your unsubstantiated crap. You both have it down to a fine science on your own.
Rob you seem to think that we care what you have to say. I for one have seen how you try to change my words and misquote everything that I post.
You have accused me of being several different people who post on these blogs. You accused me of all kinds of things with regards to this case.
The best one was when you accused me of circumventing jail house security to allow Joe and Harlow to communicate with each other. funny thing is is that they have not called me since they have been in jail.
You were wrong about that.
You have claimed that Joe and Harlow hate each other but you have no proof of that.
You have claimed that Joe was trying to frame Harlow but you pulled that one out of your ass.
You have claimed to know certain facts about this case but you don't know anymore than I do or anyone else who is reading these blogs.
You have baited the blogs with your lies and false statements and your bitchy remarks because you don't know shit.
I have just reported what I have read and what I was told by people who I could trust with giving me the truth.
What pissed you off is that I did not fall for the line of bullshit that you tried to feed me.
Elm,
I must agree with you.
I don’t understand some of the people that are blogging about this case.
What I don’t understand more than anything is why some think they must follow this case? And then interject their 2 cents worth knowing the position of certain blogs.
Then the funny part is they think it makes a difference.
The only difference is some are getting on my nerves. (Jim for example)
Why would he even waste his time to post on my blog of all places?
Elm I can tell you this, every time people Rob post, it only does one thing.
It makes me stronger in my beliefs and convictions regarding this case.
It makes me wonder some times what the connection is between certain bloggers and Sean and Grant and why they want to defend them at all cost.
Then you have people like PC posting to my blog that I need to study law. Well I can assure you Elm that PC has no clue as to who I am or what my experiences are in life.
If anyone needs to study up, maybe the people posting they are guilty should research the
minimum elements of a (capital) crime that must be proven in court?
Then if they want to have a discussion, I would be glad to talk to them about the case.
People like Rob that post his opinion and then try his damnedest to disprove anything anyone else has to say.
Of course I do find humor in his stupidity. He will post his opinion and then will post that he has disproved another fact. He brought the truth out…
Yet he has no clue what the truth actually is.
Oh well, the things going on now they will never know about. Not even PC will know about some until trial…
What can we do? I guess we will have to do the same thing we have been doing, tolerate the BS since everyone can hide behind a screen name and then take no personal responsibility for anything said.
PC a better contact would be considered an inside source.
If you are claiming all your information has come from the public record, the only other way would be to have “inside” information. Yet you post information before it is posted in the court records…
Seems to me the entire topic was your “better sources”
Yet you said I was pulling at straws with that one.
There should be nothing better than the court record.
The things that make you go hmmmmm…..
Jakester, you think that PC has a inside source? That is funny because several people have asked me the same thing about him.
I really don't know if he does but you seem to be rubbing him the wrong way with that statement.
As for Jim he seems to be so strong in his convictions about this that it would lead me to believe that he has a hidden agenda with regards to this case.
You are correct when you say that none of what is said on any of these blogs makes a difference.
It is just the opinion of those who post it. Most of the it is based on what the media has said and what we have read that the principles involved have said.
Do any of us have all of the facts? That would be a resounding no. So based on what I have read and have been told I would still say that this case is not going to be a slam dunk like so many want to believe.
"As for Jim he seems to be so strong in his convictions about this that it would lead me to believe that he has a hidden agenda with regards to this case."
So I guess if I were more vacillating, weak-willed and uncertain, that would make me more credible?
Jim,
To start with I really don’t know why you would even waste your time to post here.
It would be one thing if I were an active participant of your blog and wanted to communicate with you.
THIS IS NOT THE CASE.
Since you insist to continue to post here I must say in response to you last entry
Your creditability has put you right where you belong, in a big pile of shit on Mtn. Shitmore. You know only what has been presented by the state, nothing more and nothing less.
Your creditability has lead a lot of posters to believe that you do have some hidden agenda in this case. Several seem to feel that you are connected with Sean and Grant in some way.
Elm,
It would definitely explain a lot if it is revealed that he has an inside source.
It does seem to rub him the wrong way to make mention of the possibility of an inside source.
It’s odd that this is the only time he has posted to my blog that I can recall.
I did not go back and research all the people that posted, but I do not remember him posting here before.
Oh well, like I said Elm, its going to get interesting as we find out who does actually have an inside source.
"PC a better contact would be considered an inside source."
You're more than welcomed to call it as you'd like.
I've been accused of working for the VB DA's office, then accused of actually being a VB DA, then accused of working for the LC DA's office, and on and on... all of which have been wrong. ( ask Elm ).
If that's not grasping for straws... I don't know what is.
My suggestion... when I'm actually wrong about something, then please complain and wonder. :)
I think a lot of people like to raise the question that I might have a hidden interest, in order to distract attnetion they cannot counter my arguments using plain logic.
Ad hominum attacks are always the last resort of the loser. With you though, Jakester, they've always been the first resort.
"Several seem to feel that you are connected with Sean and Grant in some way."
Well DUH!!! :)
It is not for me to out who Jim is.
I've been tempted a few times.
I think bloggers get pissed at PC coz he gets and posts information before others.
It brings out the green monster in many.
I do not think he has an inside source, BUT if he did, good for him. It kinda leaves ALL us other bloggers out in the cold. I don't get green over it, I look forward to the new information he often provides - even if I don't like that information :)
Give credit where it is due bloggers.
as for the many many lies posted, Sean and his CDobraKiller spread that using their puppet DeWayne, who in turn gave lies to Elm, who in turn gave lies to slob, so on and so forth.
Puppets :)
Talking about lies, BB, here are a few of yours:
(1) Sean was born 1985
(2) Sean's last name is not Lockhart
(3) Underage porn on BCO
(4) Underage webmaster on BCO
(5) Tax fraud by Sean and Grant
(6) Grant's fund doesn't exist
(7) Albert and DeWayne's relationship is not a romantic one
(8) Sean and Grant will be "dismantled" at the prelims
(9) Harlow signed a plea-deal
(10) Sean and Grant hired H&J
I am pretty sure I missed a lot of your lies. And I think three of the lies listed above were the basis for your infamous reports.
But tell me please, on what basis do you arrogate the right to accuse somebody of lying? Hm?
Just because you "claim something from the very beginning" doesn't make you more believable.
Oh, I forgot something: You are a puppet.
PC,
I have never said that you work anywhere. So once again there is no straw.
I personally think you may work in VA Beach in a camera shop in a mall.
But believe it or not, I really don’t care either way.
You could be the Pope for all I care. Your employment means nothing to me what so ever.
Call it what I will. Well I think I have and it has seemed to have struck a nerve.
BB,
Rest assured that I am certainly not trying to take any credit away from PC.
And if you mean people are getting paid to blog, rest assured I get nothing at all from blogging. There is no green here.
The point, in case you missed it was how PC gets the information he gets.
BB,
Just wondering if you were saying that I was a puppet as well?.
Jim,
Once again, why do you post here?
In order to distract attention?
Are you serious?
You have never posted anything other than repeated information in order to prove your theories regardless of the truth.
If anyone has ever asked you a single questions you make it into some psycho babble
Want to talk about distracting attention.
"You have never posted anything other than repeated information in order to prove your theories regardless of the truth."
LOL! Yes backing up theories with information, HOW reckless of me!
Hmmm. Maybe your truth isn't so truthy, if contrary information and theories keep prooving to be right?
the green eyed monster has nothing to do with money :)
no i did not say or suggest you are a puppet.
Thanks BB...
Jim is the Doctor Phil of the blogs big loud abd annoying.
Jim is the Doctor Phil of the blogs big loud abd annoying.
Elm,
Once again I must agree with you.
Well Jakester and Elm--
The Black's Beach Transcription is pretty straightforward and damning of Harlow and Joe. I will cut to the chase. They confessed to murder. Confession of that crime would be an exception to the hearsay rule, a concept that Elm has been hinting at and botching miserably, but then I will be fair, in botching things Elm has been consistent.
I especially like Joe telling Grant that Kocis' Maserati is parked in Kocis' garage, a fact I pointed out elsewhere that Elm tried to shoot down.
And then oh so many whoppers by Elm. PC listed the ones directed at him by Elm. Then there are Elm's, notably Harlow's john; he was with that john at the very time Kocis was being murdered. Harlow confessed to being in Kocis' house, not with a john.
The PA mid-winter's camping trip just went up in a pile of wood smoke. Not even brought up in the BBT's.
I could go on but will not.
You guys actually have any facts or do you just deal in innuendo and bullshit your seeming areas of expertise?
Jakester has no facts to back a single thing he attempts to promote only visceral hatred of Sean and Grant. No facts, nothing. You attracted Elm like a moth is attracted to flame--seemingly sympathetic.
As for Ben, the persona for Wagner, he fools no one. Brynawel detailed WAGNGER'S LONG HISTORY OF MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING SEAN AND GRANT. Too bad the BBT's indict Harlow and Joe and no one else in this murder case. Wagner has a nasty habit of threatening people who do not agree with him.
Elm doesn't like PC having strong sourced information. Then Ben has an interesting comment that I will paraphrase for all--Elm shared information with Ben at one time.
So much for Mr. Clearinghouse.
Jakester try a real debate with PC instead of the character assassination.
Jakester said...
"Elm, Once again I must agree with you." You'd better agree with Elm because if you don't you look like the idiot you really are.
Elmysterio proclaims and the Earth quakes with his revelation that
"Jim is the Doctor Phil of the blogs big loud [and] annoying."
That would make Elm the Rush Limbaugh, the unsubstantiated conclusion gas bag of everything Harlow and Joe of these blogs.
Keep coming up to bat boys. You swing for the ball and make no contact.
Jakester--
Like Jim, I use my real name for posting.
You really are unoriginal, you called Jim "chicken shit."
I will concede this minor point and a straw argument at best, Sean and Grant are involved in this murder case; however, and unfortunately for you and Elm as Prosecution witnesses.
Got proof of a crime committed by Sean and Grant? We are all ears if you do. The truth is you don't.
Do try to explain Harlow and Joe's confession as relayed in the BBT's. You went out on that limb Jakester, and a weak one at that.
"Call it what I will. Well I think I have and it has seemed to have struck a nerve.
Jakester,
... or perhaps I struck your nerve:
"PC, I have read everything posted in regards to this case. I have read the court orders. You are not the only one that can research a case through the court system."
"Then you have people like PC posting to my blog that I need to study law. Well I can assure you Elm that PC has no clue as to who I am or what my experiences are in life."
"Rest assured that I am certainly not trying to take any credit away from PC."
Which is it Jakester, I'm a bit confused.
I understand that Damon is being advised to visit Harlow Cuadra just after the court hearing on March 5th.
I'm not sure if he should, given what he sold the other day.
Harlow might be VERY pissed. Then again, Harlow did give that little package to Damon without strings attached.
What do you think? $15,000 is what I'm hearing.
PC,
Sorry for the long delay in responding to this…
I’m not sure why you would be confused.
I have never tried to take any credit away from you
I have never spoken in an ill manor against you
I simply stated I think you have an inside source.
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